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Rob Crowley
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:02:00 -
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I too would like other ways than credit card for verification, those aren't very common in large parts of Europe and I don't have one.
HARD STEEL wrote:I didn't devalue the developers, their ability and their products - I'm pointing out the rules of this ecosystem denies people to profit from their work, drains them of their energy, gives us half-realized products and forces them to be given up on as eventually RL will win given enough time. Except there are plenty full-realized products out there, which often are taken over by the next guy when the current guy doesn't have the time/energy/resources anymore to keep going. Generally 3rd party app development is considered a hobby, not a job and the licence reflects that. If you want to do it on a level beyond that it shouldn't be too much to ask to contact CCP for a different license.
Quote:Telling me I can contact legal as step 1 freaks me out. Don't be a wuss, even lawyers can't suck out your soul via e-mail (at least I think so). |
Rob Crowley
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:17:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Quote: 2.2 ... For the sake of clarity, Developer
may not redistribute, and Developer shall not knowingly allow any third party to
access, the Game Materials or Game Data outside of the Application. Not allowing data to be transferred out of the app might be overly restrictive. I got a follow-up question there: Are Game Data and Game Materials supposed to include all stuff that would be freely usable without signing the license, like the SDE e.g.? Because the definitions in point 1.6 and 1.7 definitely read like they include that, but to me it doesn't make much sense that you would protect that data more for devs using CREST and accepting the license than for other devs. If Game Data and Game Materials were defined as only CREST-specific stuff which you get by accepting the license then the export restrictions wouldn't be problematic.
As an example: EveHQ's fitter allows exporting fits in a couple formats (xml for Eve, different text formats for EFT and forum posting). If I understand the wording correctly this would not be allowed anymore when using the license. Or even more broadly, EveHQ comes with a file which contains the SDE in SQL CE format. It's of course not meant as a redistribution, but it's not protected against app user or 3rd party direct access cause the data is freely available from the CCP website anyway.
License wrote:8.1. If Developer learns of any infringement or unauthorized use of any of the Game Data, Game Materials, or CCP Marks, the Developer shall promptly notify CCP. CCP has the right to transmit notices of infringement to or bring infringement actions against infringing parties. If requested to do so, Developer shall cooperate with and assist CCP in any such action, including joining the action as a party if necessary, at CCPGÇÖs expense. I guess this is probably one of the things in the license that's unlikely to ever be used, but I still find the notion rather strange that every 3rd party dev is supposed to be a copyright watchdog for CCP, even independent of any app the dev might or might not have published. |
Rob Crowley
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:14:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:CCP Seagull wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Quick question:
Will this be used to cover access to the SDE? And if so, what would be the status of people who distribute converted copies there of, in other formats? (such as mysql, sqlite, and so on) SDE, access to the current API, and all other dev resources will be freely available, and not require the Dev License. Only CREST usage and Single Sign On usage will require the license. Answers one of your questions :) Not really. I know that I can use the SDE without accepting the license, what I want to know is what happens when I accept the license and then use the SDE (because I want SDE and CREST). I know this might sound like a nitpicky distinction, but we are talking about legal stuff after all. :)
The license text appears to include all this stuff that would be freely usable without accepting the license. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.12.22 08:07:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Quote:12.13. Governing Law. This License Agreement is made under, shall be governed by, and shall be construed under the laws of the State of Georgia CCP's legal council is based in Iceland.
Just out of curiosity: how do you know this? I'd assume it's entirely possible that their legal counsel is at their office in Atlanta, which incidentally happens to be in the State of Georgia.
And it would make sense: If you already have an office in some country you want to make best use of the people's mentality there and employ them in fields for which they are famous and known to be unscrupulous *cough* weasel-like *cough* crafty, that's what I meant to say.
*puts on fireproof suit* |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.12.22 12:23:00 -
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Risingson wrote:Also what about gambling sites? thats a pure profit concept by nature. Which part of CREST would a gambling site use? I don't really see why it would require write access on your API data. I'm not even sure why it would require any access to your API data at all. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.12.22 13:27:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:Risingson wrote:Also what about gambling sites? thats a pure profit concept by nature. Which part of CREST would a gambling site use? I don't really see why it would require write access on your API data. I'm not even sure why it would require any access to your API data at all. Automatic payments and contracts, which I believe will be the single biggest use for CREST once the functionality becomes available.
Oh right, you got a point there. I didn't consider that applications might want to use CREST only for the application owner, but not for users.
I think I'll leave now before the discussion starts if a gambling bet is (partly?) a fee.  |
Rob Crowley
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Posted - 2012.12.29 10:14:00 -
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Dino Boff wrote:However, I hope we will soon get looser terms of use for internal corp/alliance/coalition application/wer site. A corp might have different people working on different apps that might need to share data with each other. It would be a shame if those apps had to stop sharing data or pass on using CREST/Single Sign On.
From a legal perspective, corp and alliance mates can't really be treated differently than any other players, so I wouldn't expect looser terms in that regard.
I agree it would be a shame to pass on data sharing or CREST, but maybe there's a workaround for that, especially if the different apps are made corp/alliance internal by people knowing each other to some extent: Just bring the apps under one roof and declare them one app (which isn't that far of a stretch if they share data anyway). Different people would still work on different parts of the new big app, so it's just a change in overall organization. Probably inconvenient compared to now but it should be legally sound. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:00:00 -
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Twart Coder wrote:CCP, can you make any announcements about CREST?
FYI, there are some tidbits of new information in this thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257854 |
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